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22/09/2016

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Ren

J'en conviens. De multiples raisons peuvent expliquer à plus ou moins fort degré la non-représentativité des minorités visibles au sein de la société québécoise et le racisme n'est qu'une explication parmi tant d'autres. Pour cette raison, il ne peut être question de "racisme systémique".

Les musulmans m'épatent toujours quand ils jouent à la victimisation. Le jeu est éminemment méprisable et souvent n'aide en rien au joueur. Au lieu de se questionner sur ce qui ne va pas avec soi au point de faillir à s'intégrer à la société d'accueil et tenter de remédier à ces tares dans le but de favoriser l'intégration, celui qui joue à la victime transfère ses égarements et ses maladresses à la société d'accueil qui devient ainsi la cause de ses échecs.

Les militants de groupes minoritaires ne cherchent pas l'homogénéité de la culture à l'intérieur de laquelle coexistent plusieurs cultures. Ils cherchent plutôt à fragmenter la culture ambiante afin qu'il n'y ait pas d'identité commune, mais des identités éparses qui donnent lieu à des conflits de nature culturelle comme on peut constater avec les accommodements religieux, par exemple.

Peter

Regardless of if you hate the system or not, regardless of if you are either black, white or both, avoid criminal activity and don't resist an arrest, even if you're innocent. Then you'll live happily and peacefully. Plain and simple.
Racism is and will probably always be, since it's based on fear of the unknown. So it's your choice if you choose to dare the devil and play victimized afterward. And as a "poor victim", people like Amir Khadir (Québec solidaire), Émilie Nicolas, (Québec inclusif), and Will Prosper, (Montréal-Nord Républik) will get their show off ride on your case to promote their raison d'être. Cheap shot!

Excuses je m'exprime meilleur en Anglais.

André Normand

le raciste systemique moin dangereux que l'islamiste .

Ren

@Peter

"Racism is and will probably always be, since it's based on fear of the unknown."

That sounds like the definition of a leftist accustomed to using fear as a primary cause. According to the dictionary, racism mainly means a belief that assesses the superiority of somes races over some others.

As stated in this article, it would be utterly challenging to prove and to link a discriminatory situation to racism as so many motives could lead to discrimination. That is why "systemic racism" is a ludicrous idea in itself.

Peter

Ren
You're right, many motives could lead to discrimination. But racism is one of them. The denial of racism as being based on the fear of unknown is a misleading false pretention.
The dictionary tells you what it means. Psychology has dug deeper than plain definitions inside the human unconscious self, and this has nothing to do with what the leftists use as a way to accuse saying: "The racist is the other, you, not me, not us."
The seed of racism is in ALL of us.
But this was not the main issue of my previous comment (that you diverted) which was:
"Regardless of if you hate the system or not, regardless of if you are either black, white or both, avoid criminal activity and don't resist an arrest, even if you're innocent. Then you'll live happily and peacefully. Plain and simple."

Peter

Ren
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200205/why-we-fear-the-unknown

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/diane-bederman/is-racism-actually-a-fear_b_4167792.html

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article1936144.ece

Ren

@Peter

I did not divert on your comment regarding avoiding criminal activity regardless of your race.

I was objecting your definition of racism based on the fear of the unknown. One might have various or peculiar psychological wise behavior based on the fear of the unknown. That does not mean such a behavior is racist. One can fear a culture because he never had contact with it. One can fear a food because he never tasted it. One can fear a place because he never visited it, etc. What racism has anything to do with it? Hence the fear of the unknown is a wide concept that does not apply to distinct reality.

One has to rely on the consensual definition of the dictionary to arguing. Otherwise, we would never agree. After all, a table does not mean a chair and vice versa.

Peter

Ren
I've never said that the fear of unknown is necessarily racism. I said that racism is necessarily based on the fear of unknown.
Likewise, we can say that not all metal is iron, but we can say that all iron is metal. In swapping around my sentence and its meaning will not help you to make a point.

We don't need to agree in order to share information and express our views. A table is not a chair and of course this is basic language convention. However, besides dictionary definitions, one can have zillions of ways to build furniture with wood plastic and metal etc... and this is not taught in a dictionary.

Speaking of fear: "Timco hominem unius libri"

Ren

@Peter

Racism is NOT necessarily based on the fear of unknown because it can also be based on the known. One can very much have a discriminatory means towards a "race" he knows well enough to get repelled by it. Let's say I am a landlord and I don't want to rent my flats to black people because I had bad experience with black tenants in the past. Wouldn't that be considered as racism? Yet that is NOT based on the fear of unknown.

As you said: "one can have zillions of ways to build furniture with wood plastic and metal etc... and this is not taught in a dictionary."

I don't deny you could built a table with zillions of ways. But a table is still a table, not a chair, though they are both furniture. Just don't get confused.

Peter

Ren
Your example of that racist landlord hangs together by a thin thread. Still the fear of unknown motivates his refusal to rent because he DOESN'T KNOW what another black tenant will do (even if he thinks he does), which triggers FEAR in his inner self, mind and attitude.

Yeah don't get confused yourself and too stubborn to admit this universally endorsed postulate among the best of breed human sciences practitioners across the world. "Racism is rooted in the fear of unknown. Always." And you'll have to get your nose out of your dictionary to prove the opposite.

Peter

"A table is not a chair." Vraiment?

Tout est realtif. À table, Ren!

http://horwitzeducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/chaise-haute-8.jpg

Ren

You said: "Still the fear of unknown motivates his refusal to rent because he DOESN'T KNOW what another black tenant will do (even if he thinks he does), which triggers FEAR in his inner self, mind and attitude."

I may not know what another black tenant will or won't do but based on my past experience, I don't want to get into trouble. In this particular case, the supposedly fear of unknown is called "common sense".

Speaking of scientists you were mentioning to rest your claim on, Pavlov behavioral studies show that sentient beings tend to naturally avoid bad experiences while drawn into good ones.

To sum up, it is not the fear of unknown that drives people in to discriminatory behavior, but their natural incline towards satisfying experience. The allegedly fear of unknown is only a means to make people feel guilty about their discriminatory behavior. Unfortunately, there are many people that fall into this narrative.

Ren

@Peter

http://horwitzeducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/chaise-haute-8.jpg

This is neither a table nor a chair, but a mix of both. That is why it is called a "baby chair", which both words are found in a dictionary.

Peter

Ren
I'm only responsible for what I say, not for what you understand, thus...
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/11008555.jpg

Ren

@Peter

You can rest your case now that you have no more arguments. That would be a wise thing to do ;-)

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